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Pokemon X and Y Starters May Include Psychic, Ice, and Dark Types
It’s rare to see a single type starter Pokemon anymore. Not since Gen II (Gold/Silver/Crystal) has a starter ever just been grass, fire, or water. In fact, there are way too many Fire/Fight starter combos. So of course there are plenty of theories that the three new starters in Pokemon X and Y may have dual types. We may just know what they are if we pay attention.
Let’s start with Fennekin, the most popular of the three new starters.
Fennekin – Fire/Psychic
Fennekin is causing quite a ruckus amongst Pokemon fans. So far it seems that the popularity vote goes to the fire side this Gen. Most of the forum talk seems pretty split between two different conversations: which type will accompany fire and how everyone will riot if it turns out to be fighting again.
That all said, I think we’re all in the clear about the fighting type. I can’t see Fennekin evolving into some fox that stands on two feet and I can’t see how a four-legged creature would excel at punching something. Headbutt, kicks, and charge moves? Sure. Oh god… I’m not helping. Moving on! No fighting types to see here!
I feel that Fennekin’s dual type will be Psychic. There’s a sort of majestic and manipulative design to Fennekin (which may explain why it’s winning the popular vote). I could totally see this fire fox pulling out some Psychic moves plus the type combo worked pretty well for Victini and this would give every player a chance to experience if they didn’t get the event Pokemon when Black 1 and White 1 released.
I seriously doubt Fennekin will just be a straight fire-type Pokemon but when I look at the rest of the types I strongly believe they’ll pick Psychic to back up the flames here. If that is the case, be prepared for quite a challenge during your adventure. If this is anything like Victini you’re looking at five type weaknesses against dark, water, ghost, rock, and ground. Ouch.
Froakie – Water/Ice
This one is a bit more concrete. During the announcement trailer we actually see Froakie use a move that at first looks like Water Gun but has icicles in the blast. This leads many to think that the Water/Ice combo (also seen on Lapras, Cloyster, Dewgong, and some others) is the most likely of the types for Froakie.
Thanks to the visual evidence I doubt there is any other combo that could be used here. For a while there were some conversations that Psychic may actually be put on Froakie due to the official art showing one of his hands positioned near his head almost like he’s meditating or focusing.
A Water/Ice starter sounds cool but honestly I think it’s a bad idea. Just like Fennekin, this will mean that Froakie is weak to a bunch of types; four exactly: fighting, rock, grass, and electric. That could definitely spell trouble or maybe just a challenge for players.
Chespin – Grass/Dark
Basically, a lot of talk has been put on how much brown color is used in Chespin’s design. That makes his model the darkest grass starter in terms of color palette. However, this is seemingly backup by how ferocious Chespin looks during battle. When using an attack, Chespin looks pretty damn angry about it. This has led to some theories that Chespin will be a grass and dark combo, much like Nuzleaf.
Again, we see a trend going on here with these type combos. A Pokemon with the grass and dark combo is weak to six types including fighting, flying, poison, fire, ice, and especially bug with four times the damage. If these theories prove correct, all three starters are going to be pretty tough to level up without an EXP share or picking and choosing your battles wisely.
Either way, Chespin’s obvious mean looks during the trailer give some credence to this theory but I don’t believe the brown color choice for his model has anything to do with it. If it does and they did it consciously to signify the dark combo, then that’s pretty cool. Otherwise, it’s just an added palette to a pretty bland grass starter picture.
I see a lot of validity in the Froakie and Chespin theories but the one for Fennekin seems a bit out there, even if I do think Fire/Psychic makes sense with the model’s design. I seriously doubt all three of these new starters will be single types so while theories are flying everywhere, it’s best to continue thinking of some combos.
As long as the Fire/Fight combo stays the hell away from this Gen’s fire starter!
Feedback: What type combos do you think the starters for Pokemon X and Y will have?
Nothing suggests any of them has any chance of being dual type and they don't have to be, some of the best starters stayed one type, my favorite typhlosion is such a case. All pokemon use types of moves outside their typing eg lucario is fighting and steel yet uses psychic and rock slide, neither of those moves are steel or fighting. All water types tend to be able to use ice moves too, so froakie using an ice move is expected and does not suggest it will be an ice type. Fennekin is in the same boat as Froakie the moves don't make a type, sure a pure fire using psychic moves is unusual, but vulpix which is the most similar pokemon to fennekin is capable of learning extrasensory, which is a psychic type. Chespin might have looked angry when he attacked but so did the other two, especially Fennekin, did you see the eye's and fangs on it. Most probably they look like it when using moves because they're being violent. Also Chespin returned to smiling afterwards plus an angry look doesn't mean dark type, look at ursaring. If i had to put types down myself on looks for the starters and their evolutions, Chespins would end Grass/Fighting, Fennekin pure Fire, Froakie pure Water.
there giving us hints to what there next type is gonna be because in the trailer chespin used solar beam then nightslash implying its gonna be grass/dark then fennekin used flamethrower and psychic implying its gonna be Fire/Psychic Then froakie used watergun then close combat implying that it might be water/fighting
Actualy Frokie will be Water/Fighting. Nowhere in that video when he uses Water Gun is there ice crystals. Why would they do that for his first attack he shows when the other two just used their main typing Flamethrower and Solar Beam. Heres more proof, fire beats grass, grass beats water, and water beats fire. The cycle of the starters. Now here is the secondary type fore those 3. Dark beats psychic, psychic beats fighting, fighting beats dark. So we have to clockwise circle with fire, grass, water, and the counter clockwise circle dark, psychic, fighting. In conclusion Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, Water/Fighting.
@jpbcornwall I couldn't agree more!
You are guessing. There is no reason to assume that the moves they were shown using have any significance whatsoever. Ignoring the fact that they've never revealed Starter subtypes this way, even in game footage, we don't even know for sure what the moves are.
When will people learn this? Psychic / Dark / Fighting is not a trio. It may seem like one, but it's not. Grass / Fire / Water works both in terms of weaknesses - Grass is weak to Fire, Fire is weak to Water, and Water is weak to Grass - and, in the other direction, in terms of resistances - Grass resists Water, Water resists Fire, and Fire resists Grass.
The fact that it works both forwards and backwards ensures that it is balanced - regardless of what starter you pick, you're not going to be any worse off against your rival than if you'd picked something else.
Does Psychic / Dark / Fighting fit this description? No! While in terms of weaknesses it works, if you go the other way, Psychic resists Fighting, Fighting resists Dark, and Dark isn't affected by Psychic. The fact that Dark isn't affected by Psychic means that it is not balanced - picking a Psychic type puts you in a worse spot, typewise, against the rival than if you'd picked something else - and thus, breaks the circle.
@NegaRamy I added a picture under Froakie's section of the post. It clearly shows ice. Now, if that's just a coincidence, we won't know until later on. However, right now it seems that Water/Ice is the most likely combo.
@Vhin56 Thats not the point, yes what you said about the main typing is true. The secondary typing is exactly what it is secondary NOT main. Your argument is broken do to the fact that while yes Psychic cant harm Dark, when you play "smart" you would use the main typing of the pokemon. Which in this case would be Fire vs Grass. The fact is its balanced in the sense that while you have Fire > Grass > Water > Fire it works the other way Fire/(Psychic) > Water/(Fighting) > Grass(Dark) > Fire/(Psychcic). Anyways Psychic, Dark, Fighting was probably the closest trio they can come up with compared to Fire, Water, Grass in all the tyipings. In the end its probably a balance thing they added to negate the whole rival choosing the weakness type to the one you choose. Since they probably didnt want to be repetitive with something they just did in B/W the whole pansage, pansear, and panpour thing. To help with the opposite typing of your starter. Its just something new they probably want to try and in my opinion i think is a fresh change.
@Ron Hoffecker My good sir you are taking something out of context. What your are seeing is nothing more then 1 piece of an animation sequence that combines multiple still pics(to a degree) to create a bigger picture of the water gun. All you are seeing is a single frame still pic of water splash created to make the attack appear more 3D. If Froakie was a water/ice it would completely disrupt the counter clockwise typing that I described above.
@Vhin56 @NegaRamy I understand what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is that if the starters turn out to be Fire/Psychic, Water/Fighting, Grass/Dark then that's just how it is and the only logical choice to make assuming you have sufficent knowledge of Pokemon typing would be to use a fire type attack against the Grass/Dark starter.Technically though it is not fair or balanced no matter how you look at it, and you also have to consider the Pokemon's stats. Who has the higher speed? Who has the higher Special Attack/Attack? Etc...
Also what if you run out of PP for any fire type moves you have? Your only choice then would be to switch. But what if it's your last Pokemon? Well, you'll probably lose then.
When I started this post I thought the typing would actually work... But when I include stats into the factor... it doesn't seem fair much anymore. 2x damage with a good stab move almost always results in 1hkos meaning fastest starter always wins? I don't know, whatever. Either way I'll like it and would actually like the typing combo to be Fire/Psychic, Water/Fighting, Dark/Grass. I'll still do what I always do which is pick the starter I think looks the best.
Hmm... Maybe if the fire pokemon is the fastest but has high attack/low special attack (so that physical moves are more optimal and there aren't many Psychic moves that are phycical so... yeah.). And the water one is the second fastest but has high special attack/low attack. And the grass is the slowest but has decent/high stats all around except speed or something... I don't know.
Anyways, that's my two cents or whatever.
You specifically said, and I quote "and the counter clockwise circle dark, psychic, fighting". My only point is that, no - Dark / Psychic / Fighting is not balanced on it's own.
Hell, even with the secondary types it doesn't balance it. Having a perfectly unbalanced trio alongside a balanced one doesn't balance the unbalanced one. For practical purposes, yes, you could just use your other type and it'd be supereffective, but that doesn't make Dark / Psychic / Fighting itself balanced (which is what most people claim and I get sick of hearing).